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Bill Meltzer
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Jun 28 @ 9:10 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Young Forwards Are Key to Replacing Schenn Next Season
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 28 @ 9:18 AM ET


Is lehtera known for the pk at all? Despite the desire to rebuild that unit losing bellemare vdv read etc from it does make a difference. Who coming in can take some of those roles ? I know nolan is considered 2 way but would that be a lot to ask ? What about lindblom?
goenzoy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.11.2014

Jun 28 @ 9:22 AM ET
Raffl should do PK again like he did when Craig Berube was coach
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jun 28 @ 9:25 AM ET
I find it funny that the beats were all about bringing the youth along last year now they are questioning where the production to replace Schenn is going to come from.

I think Lehtera will not start the season on the PK. That looks to be some combo of Coots, Simmer, G and Raffl at least to start with Filpula and maybe Weise added unless Read gets a fourth line spot every day.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 28 @ 9:26 AM ET
Re: PK minutes

Simmonds really excelled in a PK role last year so I think he'll be back on it. If Laughton is here I think he's on it too. Raffl would be my other guess. And Coots is always around if need be. I'm sure Hak will get some rookies a look there too to at least see if they can handle it.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 28 @ 9:33 AM ET
I find it funny that the beats were all about bringing the youth along last year now they are questioning where the production to replace Schenn is going to come from.

I think Lehtera will not start the season on the PK. That looks to be some combo of Coots, Simmer, G and Raffl at least to start with Filpula and maybe Weise added unless Read gets a fourth line spot every day.

- dragonoffrost



They are never happy. If we ever win a cup again than I'll argue about how it was luck and we won't do it again cause of a flawed team.

I wasn't sure if lehtera had experience running the pk which would make him an obvious choice to slot in. Yeah you can have g coots Simmonds run pp 5v5 and pk but id rather not. Raffl could be an addition. But I feel like one of our kids is going to have to step up into that role. Lindblom I thought might he an option and than nolan runs pp than as season progresses maybe they both add the other specialty.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 28 @ 9:36 AM ET
There are lots of areas where the team can improve 5 on 5 scoring starting with the captain. The issue is instead of those young players being added to the lineup to add to the scoring, now they need to make up for the loss of Schenn. It's a step back offensively for sure.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 28 @ 9:42 AM ET
There are lots of areas where the team can improve 5 on 5 scoring starting with the captain. The issue is instead of those young players being added to the lineup to add to the scoring, now they need to make up for the loss of Schenn. It's a step back offensively for sure.
- MJL

Schenn isn't the only player getting replaced
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 28 @ 9:43 AM ET
Schenn isn't the only player getting replaced
- YuenglingJagr


Obviously covered by my point of young players being added to the lineup. Schenn is the clear loss of significant offensive production out of the players who won't be back.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 28 @ 9:44 AM ET
I think Konecny with bigger minutes, the #2 pick in the draft, and the SHL MVP will be able to pick up the slack, I'm not worried. Also, expecting a bounce back year from G and Jake.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 28 @ 9:44 AM ET
I find it funny that the beats were all about bringing the youth along last year now they are questioning where the production to replace Schenn is going to come from.

I think Lehtera will not start the season on the PK. That looks to be some combo of Coots, Simmer, G and Raffl at least to start with Filpula and maybe Weise added unless Read gets a fourth line spot every day.

- dragonoffrost


Jori Lehtera averaged a whopping 26 seconds of PK time per game for the Blues last season, so just penciling him in on the PK doesn't seem wise.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 28 @ 9:46 AM ET
Obviously covered by my point of young players being added to the lineup. Schenn is the clear loss of significant offensive production out of the players who won't be back.
- MJL


I really don't think it'll be all that difficult to replace Schenn's contributions.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 28 @ 9:48 AM ET
Obviously covered by my point of young players being added to the lineup. Schenn is the clear loss of significant offensive production out of the players who won't be back.
- MJL

I am just wondering how in the world they'll be able to replace the production from 76 and 78
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 28 @ 9:51 AM ET
I really don't think it'll be all that difficult to replace Schenn's contributions.
- Scoob



25 goal, 50 point players are not easy to replace. Schenn's production is being underrated.
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Jun 28 @ 9:51 AM ET
There are lots of areas where the team can improve 5 on 5 scoring starting with the captain. The issue is instead of those young players being added to the lineup to add to the scoring, now they need to make up for the loss of Schenn. It's a step back offensively for sure.
- MJL



hopefully, a more skilled 4th line can also create more 5 on 5 chances\scoring.

nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jun 28 @ 9:52 AM ET
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ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Jun 28 @ 9:52 AM ET
25 goal, 50 point players are not easy to replace. Schenn's production is being underrated.
- MJL


I agree.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 28 @ 9:57 AM ET
The one issue I had with the trade would be the timing, he and Cooter seemed to finally click and were forming a respectable line. Schenn had been out of place linemates wise pretty much his entire career here and then when it seemed like he started to find a home next to #14 he gets shipped out.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 28 @ 9:58 AM ET
25 goal, 50 point players are not easy to replace. Schenn's production is being underrated.
- MJL


While you are correct, I think it can be argued that Schenn's 17 (?) PP goals were benefit of system / players, especially when looking at his 5V5 production. I mean how many goals (when looking back) were "skilled" shots or difficult goals? I feel most of his goals came around the net via deflection, rebound, and getting in the dirty areas. With the new assistant coach and him having a highly successful PP, I don't think it will be as difficult to replace Schenn as you're making it out to be. On top of that, I expect our 2nd PP unit to improve which should also contribute some solid production (between new coach + better players) unlike previous seasons.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 28 @ 9:59 AM ET
Elliot Friedman reporting McDavid deal could be close. 8 years, $13.25M AAV
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 28 @ 9:59 AM ET
I think Konecny with bigger minutes, the #2 pick in the draft, and the SHL MVP will be able to pick up the slack, I'm not worried. Also, expecting a bounce back year from G and Jake.
- ClaudeFather


There was appox. a 30 game stretch last year where this team averaged well below 2 goals a game. Scoring goals is going to be a big issue this season.
FlyersGrace
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
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Jun 28 @ 10:02 AM ET
Elliot Friedman reporting McDavid deal could be close. 8 years, $13.25M AAV
- PhillySportsGuy

Sublime55
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.24.2012

Jun 28 @ 10:02 AM ET
25 goal, 50 point players are not easy to replace. Schenn's production is being underrated.
- MJL


Schenn is an interesting case...I agree that 25 goal players are nothing to sneeze at and I have been been a supporter of his since he got to Philly. On the other hand, his lack of production at even-strength is a handicap of his that can't be discounted. His reliance on production on special teams means that he'll be prone to cold streaks when the PP inevitably goes cold throughout the course of a season. His production won't necessarily be easy to replace, but not impossible either and the opportunity to gain a couple of firsts for him, seemed to be a move of the GM selling high on him. I can't dislike the move all things considered.
TEAGLE
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jun 28 @ 10:03 AM ET
Bill,

Do you believe that to have a legitimate chance of a cup a team needs at least one superstar player if not two? I've heard the McGuire's and Bowman's of the world verbalize this theory.
Assuming they're correct it would seem the Flyers are inherently flawed. While they are paying two players superstar money, they clearly are not superstars. Seems to me that trading Giroux and Voracek now, even at reduced value is, almost necessary. If/when they find a true star player the money for them will be going to two guys who are undeserving.
I realize the Flyers Faithful will scream blasphemy but as a casual fan I think I can see the situation clearly and without bias.
Thoughts?
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jun 28 @ 10:03 AM ET
Elliot Friedman reporting McDavid deal could be close. 8 years, $13.25M AAV
- PhillySportsGuy


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